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When Vander meets with Grayson, Marcus goes on an aggressive Piltover power trip and Vander makes an offhand comment to Grayson comparing Marcus to Vi in their thoughtless self righteous fervor. It's not hard to understand the comparison: both characters are mirrors of each other on opposite sides of the bridge. They hate the other class, they want war, and both are trying to protect beloved family from the ugliness of this conflict. But Vi and Marcus end up with very different trajectories -- why? We can look to their role models to understand this difference. Vi looks up to Vander who is willing to sacrifice himself to maintain peace, and Vi too shows she's willing to go that far. But Grayson never models this behavior for Marcus, and as the grenade scene proves, Marcus cannot bring himself to make the ultimate sacrifice.
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I feel Grayson saying she couldn't find anyone would probably just result in Topside forcing them to be even more aggressive and probably start a war from that point. Plus she's the only Enforcer besides Cait who seems to give the undercity some sympathy. If she was replaced, there would be no one to keep the peace.
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Considering Grayson's replacement was Marcus, I can see why she'd be hesitant to go down with the ship. Vander had Benzo, someone he knew could hold down the fort reliably. Marcus was a hothead who would have definitely made things worse immediately
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A difference is also that Vander had someone he could trust to take over and the loyality of his people, Grayson does not, the people behind her want war too
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"people turn out the way they do because of the groundwork done by their ancestors"
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I swear, Arcane is the show of dualities and parallels. I didnt think Marcus and Vi would also be a duality/parallel
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I think this is not just vander, grayson, vi and marcus, I think it's bigger, its a Piltover vs. Zaun Thing. Zaunites don't value their own life as much as Piltoverites do, they always had to throw all they had in the ring, if they wanted to make a difference. I don't know the exact situations, but i get a similar thing with jayce and victor, and if you look at sevica vs. caitlyn, or in general at silco, Mel, Jinx, Ecco, and even deckerd (silcos guy that died at the start). The only exeption I see on top of my head is heimerdinger, who actually goes to zaun eventually
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Vander and Greyson are such amazing characters, even with few time on screen they conveyed so much about the lore of Zaun and Piltover
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Istg schnee is the only Arcane content creator that makes my whole mood turn into the happiest mood ever whenever he uploads
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Marcus clearly wanted to be the martyr, though, just like Silco said. I think the reason he didn't end up doing it is because of his daughter. Vander sacrificed himself knowing that Vi was capable of taking care of herself, Marcus's daughter is too young and he knew that she was better off with him directly protecting her, at least for now.
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Ngl. I loved Grayson the moment she talked and was curious how they would utilize her moving forward...until she died that is.
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I disagree with you here. It is not about her being unwilling to sacrifiece her career (could be part of it) but about her knowing that the council would strike even harder on Zaun if they do not present someone.
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Also even if Grayson did make a sacrifice play, individual actions can't fix systemic problems. All of Zaun knows at least a little bit about sacrifice. Most of Piltover think they know what it means to sacrifice, but most of them have no idea what it means in practice. For most of them the only things they can sacrifice are also things they can do without. For a brief moment Marcus almost had it.
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I agree with this assessment up to your last sentence. I don't think it's because of how the job was modeled to him that Marcus is the coward he is. Grayson didn't raise the man. If there is reluctance in both of them to put their own necks on the line, I think it has more to do with them and their personalities being drawn to the same job.
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Grayson goes to the council and say "I couldn't find anyone" when some of the members were having doubts about her already, she would be replaced and the peace her and Vander have been keeping would be broken as a new person probably wouldn't trust Vander like Grayson did and then everything would just go terribly anyway
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Rare miss with this video, I think. Due to two problems.
1) Vander can give himself up because he thinks Benzo can take over - he doesn't know that Silco is waiting in the darkness to pounce. If he had known that Silco was LITERALLY gathering his forces to make a push for power due to Vanders weakened position, would Vander have given himself up? Probably not.
Grayson can't give herself up because she knows there's a "Marcus" in the darkness waiting for her to fuck up and lose her position.
2) Piltover is the wronged party here - Vi and company committed a crime that led to massive property damage and implied injuries (possibly deaths). This wasn't done in a War, this wasn't done for a Cause, it was a Theft Gone Wrong, and regardless of whether Piltover is an oppressive tyrant, a crime has been committed against them. A crime that no ethical, moral or trustworthy police officer can simply ignore. So VANDER has to be the one to bend in this situation, not Grayson.
Seriously, what is the justification for Grayson going back to Piltover and going "We found nothing." Preventing War? What's to stop someone like Silco, seeing that Piltover has allowed this MASSIVE explosion to go unpunished because Piltover doesn't want war with Zahn, from creating a few oopsie's all over Piltover? Just what can Grayson actually DO in this individual circumstance?
If it was just the stuff Vi stole, fine, overlook it. "We didn't find any of the stolen goods - they were likely fenced before we could find the culprits." But the destroyed building (connected to a Councillor no less), the hinted at deaths, it's just too much to overlook. So I can't see a single thing Grayson can do differently in this situation beyond rejecting Vander and demanding Vi.
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I love the myriad of ways that you can look at why Grayson is unwilling to leave without a culprit.
Grayson doesn't want to be replaced, and leave the bottomsiders with someone like Marcus.
She's unwilling because she doesn't want to deal with the council.
She doesn't want to loose her position in general.
And the fun part from a narrative is it doesn't really matter. Because whatever her reasoning, chances are good that Marcus didn't know that. It's obvious that he didn't know about what was going on, because if he had he would have behaved differently.
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"But they can't can't THAT similar right?"
Your right! 1 died and the other didn-
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I think another thing is Vander have a good replacement, Benzo who he could trust to keep thing together (at least before Vi could grow up).
But if Grayson is gone then chances are the new sheriff wont be so nice to the underside
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This is the channel that convinced me to watch Arcane. I don't play League of Legends and don't know any of the lore for it, so a show based on it didn’t appeal to me, but when youtube started suggesting your shorts, my opinion changed I absolutely love the show and recommend it to so many people now
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@雷-t3j
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I think there's still a very legitimate question if Grayson "putting her head on the chopping block" would have solved anything and not just lead to her replacement or being sent back anyway, but it's a good explanation for Marcus vs Vi
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